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For those of you what didn't see it everywhere already...

I am pleased and proud to announce the opening of The Fifth Cellar, a new, all-inclusive Phantom fiction archive. Our goal is to create a home for all types of quality Phantom fiction, searchable by canon, characters, and many other genres and story types. It's in its infancy, so feel free to make suggestions, but most of all I hope you join and post and review others' writing.

I know there have been a few archives before this, and you've probably posted your fic other places only to have it disappear. Please consider this my vow of commitment to this project and to making a good archive fun. All kinds of stories are welcome!

Please join us.

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How do you submit fics?

Join up, and you can submit under the Account Info tab.

Excellent! *bookmarks/registers/faves/etc.*

Yay! Thanks!

I have added my one and only piece of fanfic. :)

Yay! Thank you. I'm so excited.

Would it be possible to put a link on the forum page or something? There looks to be one at the bottom of some of the pages, but it just goes back to the main site.

DaemonRising, at your service. (only because everywhere else it is MetalMyersJason)

Did you want this post f-locked, or public? I was going to make a post today on Fifth Cellar and link to your LJ, but wasn't sure whether I should link to an f-locked post or not. If you want, I'll just go ahead and put the Fifth Cellar link directly, and not refer to this post at all.

Great that you're going public with it: I peeked in and you already are gathering content. There may be some from the ongoing www.mortrouge.com contest you may want to invite as well.

No, I didn't mean to f-lock it! It's the default, and I forgot to change it. Thanks for letting me know. And please, pimp as much as you wish!

And I'll drop in to the contest site, too. Thanks.

HOORAY!

*loves and cuddles archive*

Would it be possible to have categories for "non-specific canon" (a lot of the fic out there combines elements of Leroux, ALW, etc.) and Alternate Universe (since many alternate universes of the "Let's make them 20th century spies!" variety aren't obviously linked to one particular canon)? Or at least an "Other" category?

I guess I was thinking that the combination of canons would work. Isn't there always some kind of canonical precedent? Even what sort of deformity you use is inspired by something. What I worry about is overuse of the "other" category. What do you think?

Eep, that's what I get for not playing around with it first. You can tag with multiple canons?

Yeah, I don't know. But I guess one of the things I love about the fandom is that so much of the fic is archetypal more than anything else (even when it sucks). The only ties to any canon are the names and roles of the characters, sometimes, and then why pick Leroux over anything else?

I think I'd split out alternate ending and sequel (and to me, an alternate ending goes most of the way through canon before diverging; an alternate universe in this context looks like my "spies" example; so where would a story that diverges, say, in Persia fit?). Tagging and categorization is always so subjective, though (I wonder how an archive with tagging by both authors and readers would work? Could be interesting. Could be unusable).

You can tag with multiple canons (or any other category) by holding down CTRL and clicking them.

Alternate ending/sequel... I had these separate initially, until someone convinced me that there wasn't a material difference between tacking on a different/net ending and writing a sequel. In our minds, the alternate ending didn't contain most of canon. In my mind, Kissing the Frog is an alternate ending--Christine comes back. That's it.

AU would definitely be the "spies" idea, or that one where they're in a POW camp in Vietnam or something (seriously).

I'm not sure where Persia would fit.

I'm thinking about all of this, thank you.

I guess to me a sequel to an alternate ending is different from a sequel that doesn't contradict canon. But there's probably a point where subdividing too far gets way too messy (I just have this...cataloging impulse. I'm probably a lumper, not a splitter, taxonomically speaking).

Oooh, also: while I don't think any fic exists yet, it SHOULD: does Terry Pratchett's Maskerade count as a "version"? (I don't know if it should, but I want to encourage fic, yes yes).

*off to register, post lonely fic, and play around*

I guess to me a sequel to an alternate ending is different from a sequel that doesn't contradict canon.

I think we're lumping differently, here. I hadn't considered "a sequel to an alternate ending" but rather "a sequel that continues from the end or an alternate ending that diverges from shortly before the end" and those things seem more similar than different.

Argh!

You know, part of my impulse to do this *is* my cataloging nature (it's my RL job, after all) but that doesn't make it terribly simple. I think I want to give people the options, to use or not, as they wish. And I am very much in to multiple tagging. But I don't want to subdivide too heavily, lest the scheme become too specific and unusable.

I'll add Maskerade.

You know, part of my impulse to do this *is* my cataloging nature (it's my RL job, after all) but that doesn't make it terribly simple. I think I want to give people the options, to use or not, as they wish. And I am very much in to multiple tagging. But I don't want to subdivide too heavily, lest the scheme become too specific and unusable.

Yes, exactly. I'm sorry if I'm making this too confusing!

I'll add Maskerade.

Yay! Maybe I'll actually try to write something for it now.

I'm sorry if I'm making this too confusing!

No, you aren't. These are all totally valid questions and interpretations; unfortunately, I don't think there's ever going to be consensus on any cataloging or organizational schema.

As a side note, I'm so glad you like Soujin's stuff. I stumbled upon her awhile ago and was really glad she agreed to put her stuff up.

Soujin is fabulous! I think I found her through

mhari and the formerly-Miz folks, who I think of as having mastered (or created?) a particular wonderful genre of quirky little stories (a bunch of them, including Soujin, are writing absolutely stunning Arthurian stuff these days, which makes me incredibly joyful).

They make my small fandom world beautiful and happy.

(Have I mentioned recently how excited I am about this archive? I'm rereading Maskerade and then I'm tackling Leroux again in hopes I will be inspired to write. In the mean time I am bookmarking stories to review....)

I will have to start reading her Arthur stuff, definitely; just haven't got around to it yet. She's so thoughtful and *new* in her depictions of things. It's so refreshing.

I'm so glad you like the archive. I'm hoping I can do it justice--I'm already running into the "what do I do about the bad stuff?" problem. But I don't want to cut people out, you know?

Yeah, I don't know--I think that's a lot of why most archives don't do a lot of quality control (and that's really hard in a small fandom).

I suppose it's better to have a few bad eggs than be elitist; if I'm going to "fail" in one direction that's the one I'd choose.

Anyway, it'll still be much easier to find what one wants than at FFN, what with everything being all nicely organized and stuff.

BTW, would you like a list of major characters (~7) in Maskerade (most of them aren't direct analogues)? I don't know how much you want to sort for that one (I can't even remember if you're one of the people who hates Pratchett).

I'm actually not a Pratchett fan. I know lots of people adore him; I've read three or four and never found them funny enough for me. But I'll happily put the characters up, if they're going to be used.

I know I make little sense--there's some pretty similar humor I do find funny. I just can't get with him.

I don't really like the wizard Disc books--I like the witches and the Watch, pretty much. And I don't totally like him for the humor (although I do find him funny), but also the other stuffs--the odd little insights into human nature, the surprisingly moving bits.

Anyway, what I think are the main characters people might write about (and not making the list too long):

Agnes Nitt/Perdita
Christine
Walter Plinge
The Ghost
Andre
Granny Weatherwax
Nanny Ogg

To me, the humor seems laboured--so it sticks out at me. I read Maskerade, and just... Well, I didn't react much.

But yeah; those guys can be added. I might parenthesize the canon after them.

Probably a good idea.

Dumb question...but is there any way to see most recently posted stories? Or could that be added easily? It's definitely a function I would use a lot.

Thanks so much. Not dumb at all; I had to unhide that panel. It's under "browse" now.

Hooray, thanks! Now it is even easier for me to not do homework/work/cleaning/other productive things!

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