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my_daroga ([personal profile] my_daroga) wrote2009-01-07 08:42 am

A childish scrawl

To get the taste of my last post out of my mouth, here's a question for a) writers/readers, b) Phantom fans, and c) any for whom those intersect. I think it would be a good idea to get myself writing more, even if it's not linear, that I will eventually use. I also need to build some kind of portfolio. So I have two plans:

1. Write an article for one of the cinema/horror magazines and attempt to get a byline.

and

2. Write more here for the Phantom community for my exercise and everyone's discussion.

My question for you is: What do you think might be good subjects to tackle for either? For 1, what's an angle that hasn't been taken before that I can tackle in a concise fashion? An overview of the History of POTO will only work if I can find a nice hook, and can limit it to a certain theme. For 2, what would you be interested in reading/discussing?

[identity profile] inlaterdays.livejournal.com 2009-01-07 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
For #2, are you talking about a history of the fandom or a history of the ways the story has been adapted or both?

Either way: YAY, PHANTOM META.

[identity profile] inlaterdays.livejournal.com 2009-01-07 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
It would be cool to have people tell you how they got into phandom, who thier first or favorite phantom is, stuff like that, maybe. I will stop pestering you now and go bother my cat for a bit :)

[identity profile] inlaterdays.livejournal.com 2009-01-07 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah...something like that. Or a post with links back to it. I guess it would depend on whether you wanted to collect the info so that people could be anonymous and then analyze it, or whether you wanted to have it be openly interactive and ongoing.

[identity profile] inlaterdays.livejournal.com 2009-01-07 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Or you could discuss the world of the setting and talk about 19th century Paris, Persia, and opera...IDK, I am full of random today.

[identity profile] inlaterdays.livejournal.com 2009-01-07 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, I know there's phanwank for badfic dissection, but I wouldn't mind seeing recs & discussion of good Phantom fic. I don't know if that's something you'd feel like doing...

[identity profile] ignite.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 09:43 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't dropped by in a while so first I just want to say Hi and I'm glad I find you and your husband in good health in the new year.

My opinion is probably worth about as much as a toenail clipping and a broken monocle but I wanted to throw my own writing suggestion out there.

Pre-Script
I know nothing about the Phantom communities maybe this has already been done or is just stupid.

I wanted to suggest an account created on Twitter for the main character you select and written in real time as a real Twitter user. Also being forced to write such short pieces will sharpen your writing and tighten up your word usage I would suspect.

Just a silly idea,
have a great weekend!

[identity profile] ignite.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)
by prescript i meant a PS but before instead of after. so i gave it pre instead of post. oh and it was really late so who knows what i was thinking :P have a great day!

[identity profile] kryss-labryn.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm. Well, so far as the history of the phandom things goes, I know I would love to see a history of fandom (and fanfic) in general. I gather that a hundred years ago, fans of the Bronte sisters were holding teas dressed up as their favourite characters, but I have no idea where it all started, or how fandom in general has changed over the years.

Specifically for Phantom, it might be interesting to look at how the phandom has changed with changing technology. This March marks my own 20th anniversary of being in the phandom. I started when someone copied a cassette tape of the OLC for me; found out about the book when I looked up "Paris Opera House" in the school encyclopedia, and ordered a copy in at my local bookstore (the library not having a copy). I then somewhere along the line ran into the letterzine (remember those?) Phantom Notes and got a couple of issues of that (even have a poem in one!).

Back then, finding any other fans of anything was extremely difficult. I remember being approached by a fan of a certain author's work at something like 2am at the local coffee shop, because I was reading something of his myself. She had no idea that he'd ever written anything else other than the one she'd read!

Nowadays, there's almost too much info out there. Back when, it was pretty easy, in a way, to know pretty much everything (or so it felt) about a fandom or a subject, because there was so little info out there. The hard part was just tracking it down and laying hands to it. But these days, punch in "Phantom of the Opera" into Google, and something like 99% (my guess lol) of the hits have to do with the movie. To find out that it was based on a book, let alone anything about it or other incarnations, takes quite a bit of digging, not to mention search skills and some kind of a clue that there was any other versions out there in the first place to go looking for.

[identity profile] kryss-labryn.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
(broken into two because I am verbose lol)

So far as #1 goes, the 1925 version was based on the book (obviously), but the 1943 one was more a reworking of the 1925 version. I have heard it said that every subsequent movie moved further and further away from Leroux and Chaney because each one was, to some degree, based on the ones that preceded it. Might be one angle to examine.

Another one might be the way each generation sees what is essentially the same story through the filter of its own experiences and expectations. Could write that one for Dracula, too. Both are very period pieces; both are usually reinterpreted as period pieces when made into various movies (usually, not always; the Robert Englund one starts present-day, of course, and there's The Phantom of the Mall... And Dracula: 2000); but what angle they come from seems to be very much all about the times they're made in. The originals were very much creatures of their times: scary, but in a non-gory, non-threatening way (although at the time both were considered terrifying), with an element of romance and seduction, but downplayed and subtle and innocent. By the time you get to the Hammer adaptations of both there's sex and blood all over the place. Towards our own Fin de Siecle in the 1990's, we get R.E.'s Phantom, which strives for lushness, even with all the gore (and which is still the only version to actually play the violin at Perros, for all its other liberties), and Bram Stoker's Dracula, which also goes back to turn-of-the-previous century cinematography techniques for the effects, and which has its own lushness (along with a certain amount of prerequisite gore). And then you get to 2004's Phantom, and Dracula: 2000, both of which are unoriginal crap. ;-)

If there's anything there you can make use of, have at 'er!! :-D

[identity profile] stefanie-bean.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I love to hear people talk about POTO slash - all the combinations interest me, including slashy topics very rarely picked up on.

[identity profile] stefanie-bean.livejournal.com 2009-01-09 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
A couple ...
Raoul/Persian
Christine/Sorelli (especially overlaid with jealousy over Philippe)
Philippe/Erik

And last but not least, why exactly was Poligny a "man of pleasures?" And what happened that night when Poligny went alone into Box 5, and came out dazed, confused, and unable to navigate his way through the Opera?