my_daroga | Cheated and defeated.

That sucked.

I'm too pissed of to write a proper review.

nostalgia_lj has said some stuff already, as has

lizbee, and I haven't had time to go read what other people are saying.

From my p.o.v., only just having come to love love love this show in the past half-season, I feel so let down it's amazing. Two months ago this finale would have passed nearly unnoticed, with me disappointed but not really caring too much. Martha made me care. Hardcore. I reveled in my new love for a show I had written off as a nostalgia trip all along. It made me happy to be obsessive about something again. I knew it wasn't totally rational--that mostly I'd learned to live with (and love) the limitations RTD's imposed.

But he's gone and done exactly what he needed to to make me hate it. His elevation of the Doctor to the Lonely God Everyone Prays To has done precisely the opposite of his intent where my attitude towards the Doctor is concerned.

Part of what's so upsetting is that I fully expected something wanky to happen. I mean, I didn't think it would be awesome science fiction--but I did trust it to feed me what I wanted. It's not like I think "Human Nature" etc was actually good, but it hit me just right. The Master, likewise, hit me just right without fooling me into thinking there was anything that empirically good about it.

In short, I expected fanfic, but I expected somewhat good fanfic, like what we've been getting. I got the opposite. Maybe RTD should have hired some of us.

Edit: I feel that by not saying anything to Martha, the Doctor's broken up with me. So long, buddy. You're not worth it.

Martha: win
Doctor: lose

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What did you want him to say to her? They weren't dating; she was a TARDIS companion.

My loves for this ep were mainly the Doctor/Master stuff. I loved the first few minutes, and That Scene made me sob. I hated mini-Doctor and Doctor-as-Tinkerbell, though.

It wasn't that he should have professed his love; it's that after all that she (and I) went through, there was no payoff. I didn't feel like the episode (or season) gave me what I felt was promised to me, and there's an analogy for me there with Martha's expectations.

Her leaving is the only *good* decision anyone made. But on the other hand, she was a large part of why I now like the show so much.

Overall, the show cheapened the contributions of women (they are evangelists or destroyers of men), exacerbated the Doctor's world-saving fantasy, and generally took away the qualities I'd enjoyed about the show.

Obviously, that's just my opinion, and if you liked it, I'm all for it.

Part of my beef with Martha's character was that she ~acted~ like something was promised to her, when it never was. I don't like a sense of entitlement, especially a misplaced one. Just IMO. Except when the Master has it ;)

Anyway, a lot of people are saying she'll be back.

If she does come back, I'm not sure how it won't feel cheap.

And maybe this is just me, but I'm pretty convinced I'd feel/do the same as her. The fact that she's smart enough to leave absolves he, in my mind. It's not like she can help it if she's in love with him.

People in love *do* think something's promised--or at least possible. Smart people figure that out and know enough to know they have to remove themselves from the situation or become bitter.

It's unreasonable to expect love to be returned automatically, though. I don't feel under any particular obligation to the Work Guy who likes me and whose affection I don't return, and I don't think I should.

I agree that she did the right thing.

I hope my comments aren't pissing you off - I always assume people want to ~discuss~ when sometimes they just want to vent.

Oh no, they're not pissing me off. We've hashed out our differences over these characters--it does sound like harping on and on, but it's fascinating to me how opposite our reactions are to the same things. It's like how I don't understand favorite colors--I have one, but it makes no biological sense.

Anyway.

Anyway, I am the type of person who feels *guilty* when someone likes me more than I do them. It makes me feel terrible. I've been the oblivious one, who feels like shit when I learn of it, later than everyone else. So maybe that plays into my unrequited love bit. I'm not saying you (or I, or the Doctor) *should* feel obligated--just that I always *do*. Not that it changes anything. Just makes things harder on me.

So anyway, I think maybe because of that misplaced guilt, I can perversely see where Martha's coming from--because I've been in her place before, too. And I don't read her actions as an explicit, conscious cry that she deserves his recognition, so much as a confused "why?" that I totally relate to. The way I'm reading it, it doesn't look like a pathetic crush but someone who's just unluckily, and from my p.o.v. quite naturally, fallen in love with the one person she can't have. I've felt obsession before, and I've removed myself from its influence.

Anyway, like I said before, I *like* that bit and it's only in the analogous relationship it bears *my* relationship with new Who that it bothers me. The preceding events were much the worst part.

I would actually watch Dr. Who if I knew there was a distinct possibility he might have an affair with his current companion ...

If he does (that is, if M comes back, and they start with the non-asexuality), I'll let you know.

That would be fun, thanks!

I was contemplating telling you not to watch it.

Martha- "oh noes UI has to stay with my 'rents now! *pause* ahem... Oh noes!!! *pause* "
Doctor- "Kaithxbai"

Personally I think they succeeded in making the Doctor both Jesus and an utter cunt in the same episode, she walked all over the planet for you bitch, at least say something. And yes it was very misogynistic in places.

I think the cherry on the top of the knickerbockerglory* of poo was when they made The Face of Boe (awesome character) into Captain Jack (really not awesome in anyway character).

Wasn't the girl who played Martha supposed to be making an announcement regarding whether she was really gone or not?

*dunno if you have those in the US, its a type of icecream sundae.

It's was a charitable thought on your part, but it wouldn't have worked. One *always* has to watch it, of course.

But yeah. I think generally making people into Jesus figures usually results in also making them into a total dick. I mean, unless it's Jesus, right?

The Face of Boe thing seemed like a tossed-off nod to continuity that didn't really matter or make sense.

I haven't heard anything about Martha coming/going, but then I've been avoiding spoilers. If she comes back now, though, it will look very weak.

And I've never heard of a knickerbockerglory, but it sounds great. That is, if I was able to stand that many flavors in something--I tend to eat very simply. But it's a good word.

*walks in nonchalantly*

Forgive me for interrupting all of this 'Who' nerdliness, but I wanted to inquire if you had any plans to write me a li'l Dario Argento phantom phic. We discussed this ages ago and... er... well...

*looks around*

No. Of course I'm replying to this post. I, ah, agree that Doctor Who is a show on television and that the characters are likeable except when they're not likeable. Plus they're British.

<--- Iz liek a total Doctor Who fan

Forgive my flakiness, because you're probably totally just joking, but did I say something about an Argento phic? Because it *does* sound like something you'd ask/I'd agree to do. I just don't remember.

Anyway, yeah.

Are you calling *me* a nerd? The nerve!

I, ah, agree that Doctor Who is a show on television and that the characters are likeable except when they're not likeable. Plus they're British.

Well said, darling. You've now said all that needs to be said. Why do I bother?

Oh no. I was being completely serious. You teased me with promises of E/C, E/Rat goodness and I suddenly decided I wasn't going to let you squeeze out of your obligation to filth me.

Actually, I just get really, really giddy when I'm presented with Phantom phics that aren't Leroux, Kay, or Webber based. I'm talkin' bout the nutsy sequals that everyone gets bored with. Chat promised me a 1943 Foster phic last year and I'm STILL waiting on it. Blarg.

I did write you a Raines!drabble once.

And totally. I'm sorry I have stupid memory disease. Or whatever. I'm all aboard rat!fic goodness.

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